Discussion:
visio for enterprise architects
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naga_4u24
2007-11-19 12:17:00 UTC
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I want to know, is there any edition in visio 2007 for enterprise architects.

please let me know
Al Edlund
2007-11-19 12:52:27 UTC
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the latest version of vEA is in vs2005, and I believe that it is still
visio10 (which is v2003).
al
Post by naga_4u24
I want to know, is there any edition in visio 2007 for enterprise architects.
please let me know
Dnax
2007-11-24 19:17:01 UTC
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I can not edit the field description in some of my documents in Microsoft
Visio for Enterprise Architects. I am using a UML model.

Someone could help me?
Post by Al Edlund
the latest version of vEA is in vs2005, and I believe that it is still
visio10 (which is v2003).
al
Post by naga_4u24
I want to know, is there any edition in visio 2007 for enterprise architects.
please let me know
Barb Way
2007-12-14 19:30:02 UTC
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Actually, Visio11 is Visio 2003, and Visio10 is Visio 2002. The Visio 2002
based version of VEA was bundled with VS.Net, and the Visio 2003 based
version is bundled with VS2005.

There is no Visio 2007 (Visio12) version of VEA, and Visual Studio 2008
will not include any bundled version of VEA at all.


Barb Way
Product Support - Visio
Microsoft Corporation
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
lessimsjr
2007-12-18 12:33:00 UTC
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Are there plans to either allow VEA for 2003 to point to 2008 projects or
produce a VEA 2007 for VS2008?
Post by Barb Way
Actually, Visio11 is Visio 2003, and Visio10 is Visio 2002. The Visio 2002
based version of VEA was bundled with VS.Net, and the Visio 2003 based
version is bundled with VS2005.
There is no Visio 2007 (Visio12) version of VEA, and Visual Studio 2008
will not include any bundled version of VEA at all.
Barb Way
Product Support - Visio
Microsoft Corporation
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights
Barb Way
2007-12-18 22:34:22 UTC
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"Are there plans to either allow VEA for 2003 to point to 2008 projects or
produce a VEA 2007 for VS2008?"

There are no plans to produce a VEA 2007. The entry point for UML modeling
/ Reverse Engineering was in Visual Studio, and will not be present in
VS2008, so that feature will not function.

You can continue to use VEA2003 to edit drawings (both UML and DB models),
and database modeling should continue to work, with the caveat that any new
datatypes added since it released may / may not be reverse engineered.

Barb Way
Product Support - Visio
Microsoft Corporation
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
David Parker
2007-12-19 13:51:02 UTC
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Barb,

Is there an official announcement of this depreciation?
Can we have the Database Reports and Forward Engineering put back into
Professional then?
Post by Barb Way
"Are there plans to either allow VEA for 2003 to point to 2008 projects or
produce a VEA 2007 for VS2008?"
There are no plans to produce a VEA 2007. The entry point for UML modeling
/ Reverse Engineering was in Visual Studio, and will not be present in
VS2008, so that feature will not function.
You can continue to use VEA2003 to edit drawings (both UML and DB models),
and database modeling should continue to work, with the caveat that any new
datatypes added since it released may / may not be reverse engineered.
Barb Way
Product Support - Visio
Microsoft Corporation
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
Al Edlund
2007-12-19 23:56:24 UTC
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I was wondering if this was a pre-announcement.....
al
Post by David Parker
Barb,
Is there an official announcement of this depreciation?
Can we have the Database Reports and Forward Engineering put back into
Professional then?
Post by Barb Way
"Are there plans to either allow VEA for 2003 to point to 2008 projects or
produce a VEA 2007 for VS2008?"
There are no plans to produce a VEA 2007. The entry point for UML modeling
/ Reverse Engineering was in Visual Studio, and will not be present in
VS2008, so that feature will not function.
You can continue to use VEA2003 to edit drawings (both UML and DB models),
and database modeling should continue to work, with the caveat that any new
datatypes added since it released may / may not be reverse engineered.
Barb Way
Product Support - Visio
Microsoft Corporation
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
Barb Way
2008-01-02 22:37:04 UTC
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I have not found a public link on this yet, will post here as soon as I do.
There is no firm update on what *will* happen to the solutions, but there
is Not going to be a new version of VEA in the next release of Visual
Studio - that is a fact.

Barb Way
Product Support - Visio
Microsoft Corporation
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
Al Edlund
2008-01-03 00:34:18 UTC
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Thank you ma'am,
hopefully we can talk about this off-line in February,
al
Post by Barb Way
I have not found a public link on this yet, will post here as soon as I do.
There is no firm update on what *will* happen to the solutions, but there
is Not going to be a new version of VEA in the next release of Visual
Studio - that is a fact.
Barb Way
Product Support - Visio
Microsoft Corporation
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
Allen
2008-01-23 02:12:24 UTC
Permalink
Then what product will Microsoft be offieing in VS 2008 to reverse engineer,
edit, and then generate Databases?

Should we assume that Microsoft is getting out if the Database Schema
Modeling market?
Post by Barb Way
I have not found a public link on this yet, will post here as soon as I do.
There is no firm update on what *will* happen to the solutions, but there
is Not going to be a new version of VEA in the next release of Visual
Studio - that is a fact.
Barb Way
Product Support - Visio
Microsoft Corporation
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights
Mark Nelson [MS]
2008-01-23 08:26:27 UTC
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Microsoft has now posted an official statement on VEA - in the form of a
PowerPoint deck explaining what VEA is, what it ships with or doesn't ship
with and what options exist for working with similar functionality.

http://www.visiotoolbox.com/downloads/MSFT_VEA_.ppt

I'm trying to distill this down into a concise article for the blog, but I
can summarize a couple points:

- Visual Studio 2008 does not include any version of VEA
- The most recent version of VEA (shipping in Visual Studio 2005) is based
on the Visio 2003 product
- There is not a comparable VEA version for the Visio 2007 product
- The essential parts of VEA that do not exist in Visio 2007 are forward
engineering of databases and code generation from UML

Visual Studio 2008 still has capabilities in this space around database and
software modeling, so Microsoft is by no means getting out of the market.
The statement here is that VEA is not the tool at this time. The slide deck
provides factual information, but does not discuss on the rationale for the
changes.
--
Mark Nelson
Office Graphics - Visio
Microsoft Corporation

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
Post by Allen
Then what product will Microsoft be offieing in VS 2008 to reverse engineer,
edit, and then generate Databases?
Should we assume that Microsoft is getting out if the Database Schema
Modeling market?
Post by Barb Way
I have not found a public link on this yet, will post here as soon as I do.
There is no firm update on what *will* happen to the solutions, but there
is Not going to be a new version of VEA in the next release of Visual
Studio - that is a fact.
Barb Way
Product Support - Visio
Microsoft Corporation
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights
Allen
2008-01-23 14:16:02 UTC
Permalink
Why won't you and/or MS give us a straight answer to the question:

*Then what product will Microsoft be offieing in VS 2008 to reverse engineer,
edit, and then generate Databases.*

Why is it now my responsibility to determine a replacement? Are you trying
to frustrate your customes and make it more difficult to deliver MS solution?

Just give us a straight answer!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by Mark Nelson [MS]
Microsoft has now posted an official statement on VEA - in the form of a
PowerPoint deck explaining what VEA is, what it ships with or doesn't ship
with and what options exist for working with similar functionality.
http://www.visiotoolbox.com/downloads/MSFT_VEA_.ppt
I'm trying to distill this down into a concise article for the blog, but I
- Visual Studio 2008 does not include any version of VEA
- The most recent version of VEA (shipping in Visual Studio 2005) is based
on the Visio 2003 product
- There is not a comparable VEA version for the Visio 2007 product
- The essential parts of VEA that do not exist in Visio 2007 are forward
engineering of databases and code generation from UML
Visual Studio 2008 still has capabilities in this space around database and
software modeling, so Microsoft is by no means getting out of the market.
The statement here is that VEA is not the tool at this time. The slide deck
provides factual information, but does not discuss on the rationale for the
changes.
--
Mark Nelson
Office Graphics - Visio
Microsoft Corporation
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
Post by Allen
Then what product will Microsoft be offieing in VS 2008 to reverse engineer,
edit, and then generate Databases?
Should we assume that Microsoft is getting out if the Database Schema
Modeling market?
Post by Barb Way
I have not found a public link on this yet, will post here as soon as I do.
There is no firm update on what *will* happen to the solutions, but there
is Not going to be a new version of VEA in the next release of Visual
Studio - that is a fact.
Barb Way
Product Support - Visio
Microsoft Corporation
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights
Barb Way
2008-01-24 23:44:11 UTC
Permalink
We cannot tell you which alternative product will work best for you, and
meet your criteria for price / features, etc. That is a selection that
each developer / database designer must make for themselves.

None of the alternatives mentioned in the presentation are provided by
Microsoft, so we cannot tell you which you should consider converting to.

Barb Way
Product Support - Visio
Microsoft Corporation
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.

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From: =?Utf-8?B?QWxsZW4=?= <***@discussions.microsoft.com>
Subject: Re: visio for enterprise architects
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 06:16:02 -0800
Lines: 67

Why won't you and/or MS give us a straight answer to the question:

*Then what product will Microsoft be offieing in VS 2008 to reverse
engineer,
edit, and then generate Databases.*

Why is it now my responsibility to determine a replacement? Are you trying
to frustrate your customes and make it more difficult to deliver MS
solution?

Just give us a straight answer!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by Mark Nelson [MS]
Microsoft has now posted an official statement on VEA - in the form of a
PowerPoint deck explaining what VEA is, what it ships with or doesn't ship
with and what options exist for working with similar functionality.
http://www.visiotoolbox.com/downloads/MSFT_VEA_.ppt
I'm trying to distill this down into a concise article for the blog, but I
- Visual Studio 2008 does not include any version of VEA
- The most recent version of VEA (shipping in Visual Studio 2005) is based
on the Visio 2003 product
- There is not a comparable VEA version for the Visio 2007 product
- The essential parts of VEA that do not exist in Visio 2007 are forward
engineering of databases and code generation from UML
Visual Studio 2008 still has capabilities in this space around database and
software modeling, so Microsoft is by no means getting out of the market.
The statement here is that VEA is not the tool at this time. The slide deck
provides factual information, but does not discuss on the rationale for the
changes.
--
Mark Nelson
Office Graphics - Visio
Microsoft Corporation
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
Post by Allen
Then what product will Microsoft be offieing in VS 2008 to reverse engineer,
edit, and then generate Databases?
Should we assume that Microsoft is getting out if the Database Schema
Modeling market?
Post by Barb Way
I have not found a public link on this yet, will post here as soon as
I
Post by Mark Nelson [MS]
Post by Allen
Post by Barb Way
do.
There is no firm update on what *will* happen to the solutions, but there
is Not going to be a new version of VEA in the next release of Visual
Studio - that is a fact.
Barb Way
Product Support - Visio
Microsoft Corporation
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights
Allen
2008-01-25 01:18:09 UTC
Permalink
*I’m not asking you to choose a product for me.* I’m asking you (MS) to
explain what other MS product(s) can replace the particular functionality I
have been asking about. *So I can choose for myself!*

I can’t make an informed decision if MS won’t answer my question.
Post by Barb Way
We cannot tell you which alternative product will work best for you, and
meet your criteria for price / features, etc. That is a selection that
each developer / database designer must make for themselves.
None of the alternatives mentioned in the presentation are provided by
Microsoft, so we cannot tell you which you should consider converting to.
Barb Way
Product Support - Visio
Microsoft Corporation
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
--------------------
Subject: Re: visio for enterprise architects
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 06:16:02 -0800
Lines: 67
*Then what product will Microsoft be offieing in VS 2008 to reverse engineer,
edit, and then generate Databases.*
Why is it now my responsibility to determine a replacement? Are you trying
to frustrate your customes and make it more difficult to deliver MS solution?
Just give us a straight answer!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by Mark Nelson [MS]
Microsoft has now posted an official statement on VEA - in the form of a
PowerPoint deck explaining what VEA is, what it ships with or doesn't
ship
Post by Mark Nelson [MS]
with and what options exist for working with similar functionality.
http://www.visiotoolbox.com/downloads/MSFT_VEA_.ppt
I'm trying to distill this down into a concise article for the blog, but
I
Post by Mark Nelson [MS]
- Visual Studio 2008 does not include any version of VEA
- The most recent version of VEA (shipping in Visual Studio 2005) is
based
Post by Mark Nelson [MS]
on the Visio 2003 product
- There is not a comparable VEA version for the Visio 2007 product
- The essential parts of VEA that do not exist in Visio 2007 are forward
engineering of databases and code generation from UML
Visual Studio 2008 still has capabilities in this space around database
and
Post by Mark Nelson [MS]
software modeling, so Microsoft is by no means getting out of the market.
The statement here is that VEA is not the tool at this time. The slide
deck
Post by Mark Nelson [MS]
provides factual information, but does not discuss on the rationale for
the
Post by Mark Nelson [MS]
changes.
--
Mark Nelson
Office Graphics - Visio
Microsoft Corporation
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights.
Post by Mark Nelson [MS]
Post by Allen
Then what product will Microsoft be offieing in VS 2008 to reverse engineer,
edit, and then generate Databases?
Should we assume that Microsoft is getting out if the Database Schema
Modeling market?
Post by Barb Way
I have not found a public link on this yet, will post here as soon as
I
Post by Mark Nelson [MS]
Post by Allen
Post by Barb Way
do.
There is no firm update on what *will* happen to the solutions, but there
is Not going to be a new version of VEA in the next release of Visual
Studio - that is a fact.
Barb Way
Product Support - Visio
Microsoft Corporation
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights
Barb Way
2008-01-26 00:05:31 UTC
Permalink
Sorry that I was not more clear. There are no other Microsoft products
which replace the advanced database and software modeling features of VEA.
The linked presentation discusses third party applications which integrate
with Visual Studio, and includes some feature level comparisons...
(http://www.visiotoolbox.com/downloads/MSFT_VEA_.ppt)


Barb Way
Product Support - Visio
Microsoft Corporation
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.

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*I’m not asking you to choose a product for me.* I’m asking you (MS) to
explain what other MS product(s) can replace the particular functionality I
have been asking about. *So I can choose for myself!*

I can’t make an informed decision if MS won’t answer my question.
Post by Barb Way
We cannot tell you which alternative product will work best for you, and
meet your criteria for price / features, etc. That is a selection that
each developer / database designer must make for themselves.
None of the alternatives mentioned in the presentation are provided by
Microsoft, so we cannot tell you which you should consider converting to.
Barb Way
Product Support - Visio
Microsoft Corporation
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
--------------------
Subject: Re: visio for enterprise architects
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 06:16:02 -0800
Lines: 67
*Then what product will Microsoft be offieing in VS 2008 to reverse engineer,
edit, and then generate Databases.*
Why is it now my responsibility to determine a replacement? Are you trying
to frustrate your customes and make it more difficult to deliver MS solution?
Just give us a straight answer!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by Mark Nelson [MS]
Microsoft has now posted an official statement on VEA - in the form of a
PowerPoint deck explaining what VEA is, what it ships with or doesn't
ship
Post by Mark Nelson [MS]
with and what options exist for working with similar functionality.
http://www.visiotoolbox.com/downloads/MSFT_VEA_.ppt
I'm trying to distill this down into a concise article for the blog, but
I
Post by Mark Nelson [MS]
- Visual Studio 2008 does not include any version of VEA
- The most recent version of VEA (shipping in Visual Studio 2005) is
based
Post by Mark Nelson [MS]
on the Visio 2003 product
- There is not a comparable VEA version for the Visio 2007 product
- The essential parts of VEA that do not exist in Visio 2007 are forward
engineering of databases and code generation from UML
Visual Studio 2008 still has capabilities in this space around database
and
Post by Mark Nelson [MS]
software modeling, so Microsoft is by no means getting out of the market.
The statement here is that VEA is not the tool at this time. The slide
deck
Post by Mark Nelson [MS]
provides factual information, but does not discuss on the rationale for
the
Post by Mark Nelson [MS]
changes.
--
Mark Nelson
Office Graphics - Visio
Microsoft Corporation
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights.
Post by Mark Nelson [MS]
Post by Allen
Then what product will Microsoft be offieing in VS 2008 to reverse engineer,
edit, and then generate Databases?
Should we assume that Microsoft is getting out if the Database Schema
Modeling market?
Post by Barb Way
I have not found a public link on this yet, will post here as soon as
I
Post by Mark Nelson [MS]
Post by Allen
Post by Barb Way
do.
There is no firm update on what *will* happen to the solutions, but there
is Not going to be a new version of VEA in the next release of Visual
Studio - that is a fact.
Barb Way
Product Support - Visio
Microsoft Corporation
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights
Allen
2008-01-26 01:43:03 UTC
Permalink
It is said the MS has chosen to abandon the DB modeling market. They have
also abandoned me and thousands of others who have almost a decade of
experience with Visio as DB modeling tool. The Value of the MSDN Subscription
has been greatly diminished and so are my skills as a DB architect because
I’m skilled in a DEAD END product. To add insult to injury I now have to pay
more money to someone else for a tool that has always been part of some
version of the MSDN subscription.

Thank you very much Microsoft. You talk about how your partner with you
MCPs, MCTs, and Partners, but I guess that’s only talk or applies in only one
direction.
Post by Barb Way
Sorry that I was not more clear. There are no other Microsoft products
which replace the advanced database and software modeling features of VEA.
The linked presentation discusses third party applications which integrate
with Visual Studio, and includes some feature level comparisons...
(http://www.visiotoolbox.com/downloads/MSFT_VEA_.ppt)
Barb Way
Product Support - Visio
Microsoft Corporation
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
--------------------
*I’m not asking you to choose a product for me.* I’m asking you (MS) to
explain what other MS product(s) can replace the particular functionality I
have been asking about. *So I can choose for myself!*
I can’t make an informed decision if MS won’t answer my question.
Post by Barb Way
We cannot tell you which alternative product will work best for you, and
meet your criteria for price / features, etc. That is a selection that
each developer / database designer must make for themselves.
None of the alternatives mentioned in the presentation are provided by
Microsoft, so we cannot tell you which you should consider converting to.
Barb Way
Product Support - Visio
Microsoft Corporation
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights.
Post by Barb Way
--------------------
Subject: Re: visio for enterprise architects
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 06:16:02 -0800
Lines: 67
*Then what product will Microsoft be offieing in VS 2008 to reverse engineer,
edit, and then generate Databases.*
Why is it now my responsibility to determine a replacement? Are you
trying
Post by Barb Way
to frustrate your customes and make it more difficult to deliver MS solution?
Just give us a straight answer!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by Mark Nelson [MS]
Microsoft has now posted an official statement on VEA - in the form of
a
Post by Barb Way
Post by Mark Nelson [MS]
PowerPoint deck explaining what VEA is, what it ships with or doesn't
ship
Post by Mark Nelson [MS]
with and what options exist for working with similar functionality.
http://www.visiotoolbox.com/downloads/MSFT_VEA_.ppt
I'm trying to distill this down into a concise article for the blog,
but
Post by Barb Way
I
Post by Mark Nelson [MS]
- Visual Studio 2008 does not include any version of VEA
- The most recent version of VEA (shipping in Visual Studio 2005) is
based
Post by Mark Nelson [MS]
on the Visio 2003 product
- There is not a comparable VEA version for the Visio 2007 product
- The essential parts of VEA that do not exist in Visio 2007 are
forward
Post by Barb Way
Post by Mark Nelson [MS]
engineering of databases and code generation from UML
Visual Studio 2008 still has capabilities in this space around database
and
Post by Mark Nelson [MS]
software modeling, so Microsoft is by no means getting out of the
market.
Post by Barb Way
Post by Mark Nelson [MS]
The statement here is that VEA is not the tool at this time. The slide
deck
Post by Mark Nelson [MS]
provides factual information, but does not discuss on the rationale for
the
Post by Mark Nelson [MS]
changes.
--
Mark Nelson
Office Graphics - Visio
Microsoft Corporation
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights.
Post by Mark Nelson [MS]
Post by Allen
Then what product will Microsoft be offieing in VS 2008 to reverse engineer,
edit, and then generate Databases?
Should we assume that Microsoft is getting out if the Database Schema
Modeling market?
Post by Barb Way
I have not found a public link on this yet, will post here as soon
as
Post by Barb Way
I
Post by Mark Nelson [MS]
Post by Allen
Post by Barb Way
do.
There is no firm update on what *will* happen to the solutions, but there
is Not going to be a new version of VEA in the next release of Visual
Studio - that is a fact.
Barb Way
Product Support - Visio
Microsoft Corporation
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights
Huminance
2008-02-14 21:41:00 UTC
Permalink
Please Barb provide the right link or file for:

http://www.visiotoolbox.com/downloads/MSFT_VEA_.ppt

which after being downloaded it useless as PowerPoint 2003 can't open it.

Any recommendations?
Post by Allen
It is said the MS has chosen to abandon the DB modeling market. They have
also abandoned me and thousands of others who have almost a decade of
experience with Visio as DB modeling tool. The Value of the MSDN Subscription
has been greatly diminished and so are my skills as a DB architect because
I’m skilled in a DEAD END product. To add insult to injury I now have to pay
more money to someone else for a tool that has always been part of some
version of the MSDN subscription.
Thank you very much Microsoft. You talk about how your partner with you
MCPs, MCTs, and Partners, but I guess that’s only talk or applies in only one
direction.
Post by Barb Way
Sorry that I was not more clear. There are no other Microsoft products
which replace the advanced database and software modeling features of VEA.
The linked presentation discusses third party applications which integrate
with Visual Studio, and includes some feature level comparisons...
(http://www.visiotoolbox.com/downloads/MSFT_VEA_.ppt)
Barb Way
Product Support - Visio
Microsoft Corporation
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
--------------------
*I’m not asking you to choose a product for me.* I’m asking you (MS) to
explain what other MS product(s) can replace the particular functionality I
have been asking about. *So I can choose for myself!*
I can’t make an informed decision if MS won’t answer my question.
Post by Barb Way
We cannot tell you which alternative product will work best for you, and
meet your criteria for price / features, etc. That is a selection that
each developer / database designer must make for themselves.
None of the alternatives mentioned in the presentation are provided by
Microsoft, so we cannot tell you which you should consider converting to.
Barb Way
Product Support - Visio
Microsoft Corporation
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights.
Post by Barb Way
--------------------
Subject: Re: visio for enterprise architects
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 06:16:02 -0800
Lines: 67
*Then what product will Microsoft be offieing in VS 2008 to reverse engineer,
edit, and then generate Databases.*
Why is it now my responsibility to determine a replacement? Are you
trying
Post by Barb Way
to frustrate your customes and make it more difficult to deliver MS solution?
Just give us a straight answer!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by Mark Nelson [MS]
Microsoft has now posted an official statement on VEA - in the form of
a
Post by Barb Way
Post by Mark Nelson [MS]
PowerPoint deck explaining what VEA is, what it ships with or doesn't
ship
Post by Mark Nelson [MS]
with and what options exist for working with similar functionality.
http://www.visiotoolbox.com/downloads/MSFT_VEA_.ppt
I'm trying to distill this down into a concise article for the blog,
but
Post by Barb Way
I
Post by Mark Nelson [MS]
- Visual Studio 2008 does not include any version of VEA
- The most recent version of VEA (shipping in Visual Studio 2005) is
based
Post by Mark Nelson [MS]
on the Visio 2003 product
- There is not a comparable VEA version for the Visio 2007 product
- The essential parts of VEA that do not exist in Visio 2007 are
forward
Post by Barb Way
Post by Mark Nelson [MS]
engineering of databases and code generation from UML
Visual Studio 2008 still has capabilities in this space around database
and
Post by Mark Nelson [MS]
software modeling, so Microsoft is by no means getting out of the
market.
Post by Barb Way
Post by Mark Nelson [MS]
The statement here is that VEA is not the tool at this time. The slide
deck
Post by Mark Nelson [MS]
provides factual information, but does not discuss on the rationale for
the
Post by Mark Nelson [MS]
changes.
--
Mark Nelson
Office Graphics - Visio
Microsoft Corporation
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights.
Post by Mark Nelson [MS]
Post by Allen
Then what product will Microsoft be offieing in VS 2008 to reverse
engineer,
edit, and then generate Databases?
Should we assume that Microsoft is getting out if the Database Schema
Modeling market?
Post by Barb Way
I have not found a public link on this yet, will post here as soon
as
Post by Barb Way
I
Post by Mark Nelson [MS]
Post by Allen
Post by Barb Way
do.
There is no firm update on what *will* happen to the solutions, but
there
is Not going to be a new version of VEA in the next release of Visual
Studio - that is a fact.
Barb Way
Product Support - Visio
Microsoft Corporation
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights
Barb Way
2008-02-15 01:28:26 UTC
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The link is correct ('http://www.visiotoolbox.com/downloads/MSFT_VEA_.ppt')
However, it appears that the file was authored in PPT 2007, and you may
need to install the Office Compatibility Pack to be able to read the file:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=941B3470-3AE9-4AEE-
8F43-C6BB74CD1466&displaylang=en


Barb Way
Product Support - Visio
Microsoft Corporation
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Huminance
2008-02-14 20:50:02 UTC
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I also like to know especially we are evaluating your Visual Studio 2008 -
Team Suite (VSTS). Many of the forums mentionned that Visio Enterprise
Architects is available with the VSTS. Then I just talk to Microsoft Canadian
sales support and they tell me it requires also the MSDN license.

So is right? It is available or not? Second will it be just a toy or a
formal and complete UML modeling tool with animation, validation and code
generation as well as reverse engineering

It feels like it only would be a toy without too much capacity and automated
integration.

Please Barb help me making the right business decision or it is clear we go
with IBM Rational modeling tool or other companies

Jocelyn Duquette, Huminance R&D VP
418-204-5030

Can anyone else help?
Post by Allen
*I’m not asking you to choose a product for me.* I’m asking you (MS) to
explain what other MS product(s) can replace the particular functionality I
have been asking about. *So I can choose for myself!*
I can’t make an informed decision if MS won’t answer my question.
Post by Barb Way
We cannot tell you which alternative product will work best for you, and
meet your criteria for price / features, etc. That is a selection that
each developer / database designer must make for themselves.
None of the alternatives mentioned in the presentation are provided by
Microsoft, so we cannot tell you which you should consider converting to.
Barb Way
Product Support - Visio
Microsoft Corporation
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
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Subject: Re: visio for enterprise architects
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 06:16:02 -0800
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*Then what product will Microsoft be offieing in VS 2008 to reverse engineer,
edit, and then generate Databases.*
Why is it now my responsibility to determine a replacement? Are you trying
to frustrate your customes and make it more difficult to deliver MS solution?
Just give us a straight answer!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by Mark Nelson [MS]
Microsoft has now posted an official statement on VEA - in the form of a
PowerPoint deck explaining what VEA is, what it ships with or doesn't
ship
Post by Mark Nelson [MS]
with and what options exist for working with similar functionality.
http://www.visiotoolbox.com/downloads/MSFT_VEA_.ppt
I'm trying to distill this down into a concise article for the blog, but
I
Post by Mark Nelson [MS]
- Visual Studio 2008 does not include any version of VEA
- The most recent version of VEA (shipping in Visual Studio 2005) is
based
Post by Mark Nelson [MS]
on the Visio 2003 product
- There is not a comparable VEA version for the Visio 2007 product
- The essential parts of VEA that do not exist in Visio 2007 are forward
engineering of databases and code generation from UML
Visual Studio 2008 still has capabilities in this space around database
and
Post by Mark Nelson [MS]
software modeling, so Microsoft is by no means getting out of the market.
The statement here is that VEA is not the tool at this time. The slide
deck
Post by Mark Nelson [MS]
provides factual information, but does not discuss on the rationale for
the
Post by Mark Nelson [MS]
changes.
--
Mark Nelson
Office Graphics - Visio
Microsoft Corporation
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights.
Post by Mark Nelson [MS]
Post by Allen
Then what product will Microsoft be offieing in VS 2008 to reverse engineer,
edit, and then generate Databases?
Should we assume that Microsoft is getting out if the Database Schema
Modeling market?
Post by Barb Way
I have not found a public link on this yet, will post here as soon as
I
Post by Mark Nelson [MS]
Post by Allen
Post by Barb Way
do.
There is no firm update on what *will* happen to the solutions, but there
is Not going to be a new version of VEA in the next release of Visual
Studio - that is a fact.
Barb Way
Product Support - Visio
Microsoft Corporation
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights
Barb Way
2008-02-15 01:33:39 UTC
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According to the PPT file (see my previous note about the compatibility
pack, if you haven't already), there is no Visio for Enterprise Architects
version available for VS 2008.

The current version is bundled with VS2005 Team editions (Team Architect,
Team Developer, Team Tester) only. The UML solution allows you to
visualize using UML 1.2 level notation, so that you can import from a
project and map out your Classes, etc. I do not have any experience as a
software modeler, but the solution does not have any 'animations' that I am
aware of. You can review the MSDN topic on using UML with VEA here :
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa302171.aspx

Barb Way
Product Support - Visio
Microsoft Corporation
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
J SPark
2008-05-08 01:08:01 UTC
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I too, have been surprised by the dropping of the DDL generation, error
checking, and schema synchronization functionality.

As I have experienced, Visio 2002 Enterprise Architect is not compatible
with SQL Server 2005. I upgraded to Visio 2007 Professional, only to be
disappointed and surprised that this central functionality has been
inexplicably dropped.

It was difficult for me to find out, but searching the internet it seems
that Visio for Enterprise Architects in the current MSDN subscription
supports this crucial feature.

Would this version of Visio support SQL Server 2008?

There are few lower cost alternatives these days, and it is hard to find a
DB tool that integrates smoothly w/ the latest editions of MS SQL server.
Thus there is more pressure to go the route of DBDesigner 4/MySQL when
starting projects with complex database needs. Which is unfortunate, since
Microsoft SQL Server is a great product series. (It's an MS product that I
actually praise, among my open source LAMP developer colleagues.)

MS Sql Server, IMO, is in fact a central foundation of data centric
development using MS technologies. There should be some guidance, somewhere,
as to how to continue to design complex databases for MS Sql Server into the
future. Directing us to rely on the Database Diagram feature of SQL Server
is not a good fit, because of the need to prototype, print out, share vsd's,
and to visually think out different changes to existing DB's, and then to
create the DDL to migrate synchronization scripts on production servers.
Visio has also been an appropriate tool for DB architecture because of good
print features, and the ability to add annotations and other shapes.
carlm
2008-05-08 21:34:34 UTC
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I found this posting while doing a search on VEA and downloaded the document
referenced by the link. However, I have not been able to open it with
Powerpoint 2003 or PPT Viewer 2007. Has anyone else had success in opening
it? If so, what version of PPT did you use?
--
Carl
Post by Mark Nelson [MS]
Microsoft has now posted an official statement on VEA - in the form of a
PowerPoint deck explaining what VEA is, what it ships with or doesn't ship
with and what options exist for working with similar functionality.
http://www.visiotoolbox.com/downloads/MSFT_VEA_.ppt
I'm trying to distill this down into a concise article for the blog, but I
- Visual Studio 2008 does not include any version of VEA
- The most recent version of VEA (shipping in Visual Studio 2005) is based
on the Visio 2003 product
- There is not a comparable VEA version for the Visio 2007 product
- The essential parts of VEA that do not exist in Visio 2007 are forward
engineering of databases and code generation from UML
Visual Studio 2008 still has capabilities in this space around database and
software modeling, so Microsoft is by no means getting out of the market.
The statement here is that VEA is not the tool at this time. The slide deck
provides factual information, but does not discuss on the rationale for the
changes.
--
Mark Nelson
Office Graphics - Visio
Microsoft Corporation
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
Post by Allen
Then what product will Microsoft be offieing in VS 2008 to reverse engineer,
edit, and then generate Databases?
Should we assume that Microsoft is getting out if the Database Schema
Modeling market?
Post by Barb Way
I have not found a public link on this yet, will post here as soon as I do.
There is no firm update on what *will* happen to the solutions, but there
is Not going to be a new version of VEA in the next release of Visual
Studio - that is a fact.
Barb Way
Product Support - Visio
Microsoft Corporation
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights
Paul Herber
2008-05-08 22:07:06 UTC
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Post by carlm
I found this posting while doing a search on VEA and downloaded the document
referenced by the link. However, I have not been able to open it with
Powerpoint 2003 or PPT Viewer 2007. Has anyone else had success in opening
it? If so, what version of PPT did you use?
You're right, can't open it from here.
--
Regards, Paul Herber, Sandrila Ltd.
http://www.sdl.sandrila.co.uk/ SDL/MSC/TTCN/URN/UML2 for Visio
Al Edlund
2008-05-08 22:07:35 UTC
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I checked it out and it opened fine on my system (o2007).
al
Post by carlm
I found this posting while doing a search on VEA and downloaded the document
referenced by the link. However, I have not been able to open it with
Powerpoint 2003 or PPT Viewer 2007. Has anyone else had success in opening
it? If so, what version of PPT did you use?
--
Carl
Post by Mark Nelson [MS]
Microsoft has now posted an official statement on VEA - in the form of a
PowerPoint deck explaining what VEA is, what it ships with or doesn't ship
with and what options exist for working with similar functionality.
http://www.visiotoolbox.com/downloads/MSFT_VEA_.ppt
I'm trying to distill this down into a concise article for the blog, but I
- Visual Studio 2008 does not include any version of VEA
- The most recent version of VEA (shipping in Visual Studio 2005) is based
on the Visio 2003 product
- There is not a comparable VEA version for the Visio 2007 product
- The essential parts of VEA that do not exist in Visio 2007 are forward
engineering of databases and code generation from UML
Visual Studio 2008 still has capabilities in this space around database and
software modeling, so Microsoft is by no means getting out of the market.
The statement here is that VEA is not the tool at this time. The slide deck
provides factual information, but does not discuss on the rationale for the
changes.
--
Mark Nelson
Office Graphics - Visio
Microsoft Corporation
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
Post by Allen
Then what product will Microsoft be offieing in VS 2008 to reverse engineer,
edit, and then generate Databases?
Should we assume that Microsoft is getting out if the Database Schema
Modeling market?
Post by Barb Way
I have not found a public link on this yet, will post here as soon as
I
do.
There is no firm update on what *will* happen to the solutions, but there
is Not going to be a new version of VEA in the next release of Visual
Studio - that is a fact.
Barb Way
Product Support - Visio
Microsoft Corporation
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights
Barb Way
2008-05-09 15:09:53 UTC
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We've notified the content owners about this, as we've had a couple of
reports so far. Hopefully a corrected version will be uploaded soon.
In the meantime, if you have PPT2007 version available to open it, it
should be okay when saved back to PPT 2003 format.

Sorry for the inconvenience!

Barb Way
Product Support - Visio
Microsoft Corporation
[This posting is provided "As Is" with no warranties, and confers no
rights.]
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From: "Al Edlund" <***@ameritech.net>
Subject: Re: visio for enterprise architects
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 17:07:35 -0500
Lines: 81

I checked it out and it opened fine on my system (o2007).
al
Post by carlm
I found this posting while doing a search on VEA and downloaded the document
referenced by the link. However, I have not been able to open it with
Powerpoint 2003 or PPT Viewer 2007. Has anyone else had success in opening
it? If so, what version of PPT did you use?
--
Carl
Post by Mark Nelson [MS]
Microsoft has now posted an official statement on VEA - in the form of a
PowerPoint deck explaining what VEA is, what it ships with or doesn't ship
with and what options exist for working with similar functionality.
http://www.visiotoolbox.com/downloads/MSFT_VEA_.ppt
I'm trying to distill this down into a concise article for the blog, but I
- Visual Studio 2008 does not include any version of VEA
- The most recent version of VEA (shipping in Visual Studio 2005) is based
on the Visio 2003 product
- There is not a comparable VEA version for the Visio 2007 product
- The essential parts of VEA that do not exist in Visio 2007 are forward
engineering of databases and code generation from UML
Visual Studio 2008 still has capabilities in this space around database and
software modeling, so Microsoft is by no means getting out of the market.
The statement here is that VEA is not the tool at this time. The slide deck
provides factual information, but does not discuss on the rationale for the
changes.
--
Mark Nelson
Office Graphics - Visio
Microsoft Corporation
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
Post by Allen
Then what product will Microsoft be offieing in VS 2008 to reverse engineer,
edit, and then generate Databases?
Should we assume that Microsoft is getting out if the Database Schema
Modeling market?
Post by Barb Way
I have not found a public link on this yet, will post here as soon as
I
do.
There is no firm update on what *will* happen to the solutions, but there
is Not going to be a new version of VEA in the next release of Visual
Studio - that is a fact.
Barb Way
Product Support - Visio
Microsoft Corporation
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights
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